tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post7866605681150371454..comments2023-10-16T08:37:22.742+00:00Comments on An incredulous eye on the isles: Wind farms and tourism 'compatible'ElectricCrofterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09495260997875836669noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-47633108433977785752008-03-14T12:34:00.000+00:002008-03-14T12:34:00.000+00:00anon7:04 - you can hide an elephant in a cherry tr...anon7:04 - you can hide an elephant in a cherry tree - just paint its toe nails red!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-4514167540026153242008-03-14T08:21:00.000+00:002008-03-14T08:21:00.000+00:00Gazette advert says its open to the public. Free l...Gazette advert says its open to the public.<BR/><BR/> Free lunch guys!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-67108079872866813422008-03-13T18:11:00.000+00:002008-03-13T18:11:00.000+00:0010:52You are to intellegent to be posting on this ...10:52<BR/><BR/>You are to intellegent to be posting on this blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-11264407166634957902008-03-13T12:28:00.000+00:002008-03-13T12:28:00.000+00:0010.52The point I’m trying to make is, should we be...10.52<BR/><BR/>The point I’m trying to make is, should we be content to remain subsidised by the rest of the UK/Europe, without making a meaningful economic contribution in return for the services we receive. Given the current economic uncertainties, would it also not make sense to try to insulate ourselves against the very real prospect of economic downturn and the inevitable loss of inward investment/subsidy that would follow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-33866946136811644122008-03-13T11:01:00.000+00:002008-03-13T11:01:00.000+00:00The BBC dont seem to in agreement that the windfar...The BBC dont seem to in agreement that the windfarms and tourism can live together using the opening line of<BR/><BR/>"Wind farms could cost Scotland's tourism industry millions of pounds and hundreds of jobs, a report has warned. "<BR/><BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7292289.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-50912579015629605012008-03-13T10:52:00.000+00:002008-03-13T10:52:00.000+00:001o:14I dont quite understand your point?1o:14<BR/><BR/>I dont quite understand your point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-20238911588569460362008-03-13T10:14:00.000+00:002008-03-13T10:14:00.000+00:00Does anybody care that our economic output is sign...Does anybody care that our economic output is significantly less that the rest of Scotland? Despite this we enjoy significantly better services than our urban, mainland counterparts. We can be blithe about our economic activity because we are underwritten by the urban working class. If we had were to receive services in proportion to our economic output, would we still be opposed to this industrial development?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-9823324390916422022008-03-13T09:12:00.000+00:002008-03-13T09:12:00.000+00:00I see Geoff Riddington is down as an author of thi...I see Geoff Riddington is down as an author of this paper and is talking at the meeting on Monday.<BR/><BR/>Can someone ask how he believes this should be interpretated into the Lewis scenario - ie 3 huges schemes, going from a baseline of zero top hundreds of turbines etc.<BR/><BR/>He needs to be put on the spot and not just spouting generic answers<BR/><BR/>Any local tourism companies got invites to this summit? Was it ever ascertained actually who is going?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-42490961103656915592008-03-13T08:09:00.000+00:002008-03-13T08:09:00.000+00:00Four other key points from the 300 pages• The resu...Four other key points from the 300 pages<BR/><BR/>• The results confirm that a significant minority (20% to 30%) of tourists preferred landscapes without wind farms. <BR/><BR/>• A much higher percentage of respondents indicated that they would not visit an area if a wind farm was constructed (17.8%). <BR/><BR/>• Most individuals appear to prefer a landscape from their accommodation without a wind farm (68%) but there is also a substantial proportion that is neutral (28%) and a few who positively like wind farms (9%). <BR/><BR/>• The results of the internet survey suggest that the average tourist is prepared to pay around 20-25 per cent more for a room with an unspoilt room than they are for a room with a view of a wind farm.<BR/><BR/>I can't see how any of these add positive weight to the proposals for Lewis.<BR/><BR/>Why are Point Power being so quiet re their scheme for local energy. It sounded like a winner, with no impacts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-84004632242870897652008-03-12T22:51:00.000+00:002008-03-12T22:51:00.000+00:00"So a realistic question is could the local touris..."So a realistic question is could the local tourism sector take a 17.8% downturn from loss of visitors? "<BR/><BR/>As operator of a small tourist accommodation business, my answer is "no". From talking to my clients, most of whom come to Lewis from England and mainland Scotland for the scenery, I would expect a far higher drop-off rate than 18%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-1453030268656079752008-03-12T20:43:00.000+00:002008-03-12T20:43:00.000+00:00Page 16"This suggests that to minimise the impact ...Page 16<BR/><BR/>"This suggests that to minimise the impact on Tourism very large single<BR/>developments are preferable to a number of smaller developments,<BR/>particularly when they occur in the same general area."<BR/><BR/>I rest my case yer honorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-19480780800921891102008-03-12T20:40:00.000+00:002008-03-12T20:40:00.000+00:00This is not a like for like comparison with Lewis,...This is not a like for like comparison with Lewis, but does make for good reading.<BR/><BR/>Taking Caithness and Sutherland (Flow Country v Lewis Peatlands) as the most comparable to here it has 195 turbines spread over the region in 14 schemes. However we nearly have that in one scheme alone.<BR/><BR/>Bottom of page 8 also says that 17.8% indicated that they would<BR/>not visit an area if a wind farm was constructed. That is more comparable to Lewis, where we are near wind farm virgins.<BR/><BR/>So a realistic question is could the local tourism sector take a 17.8% downturn from loss of visitors? On the often quoted £50M per annum income that tourism brings to here, that is nearly a £9M drop against community benefits on offer of just £3M.<BR/><BR/>It's a no brainer guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-35065535211957111102008-03-12T19:24:00.000+00:002008-03-12T19:24:00.000+00:00"Problem for AMEC is their scheme clogs up the fil..."<I>Problem for AMEC is their scheme clogs up the filter like an elephant in your sink.</I>"<BR/><BR/>I nominate this as blog quote of the week so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-31312031992919228652008-03-12T19:04:00.000+00:002008-03-12T19:04:00.000+00:00"like an elephant in your sink" reminds me of an O..."like an elephant in your sink" reminds me of an Oppenheim quote at Balallan Hall a couple of years ago. Something along the lines of 'I'll be honest with you, these things are huge and you will see them from erywhere. YOU CANT HIDE AN ELEPHANT IN A CHERRY TREE". At least he was upfront about it.<BR/><BR/>Seems elephants are all the rage here these days - we even have a white one - called Arnish.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-22047648316057252682008-03-12T17:01:00.000+00:002008-03-12T17:01:00.000+00:00Windturbines, where already present, can be an ass...Windturbines, where already present, can be an asset for tourism. However, I agree with anon 4.28pm that the situation is different where they are introduced into a wilderness area like the Lewis moor. <BR/>Mr Mather has indicated that the European designations are still paramount in any consideration. <BR/>I'll be awaiting his decision (if any there be on Monday) with interest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-43438077434976570562008-03-12T16:49:00.000+00:002008-03-12T16:49:00.000+00:00"do environmental designations prevent all economi..."do environmental designations prevent all economic development?"<BR/><BR/>Angus from your (former) position you will recall this is not the case. Rather there is a process in place that filters out bad schemes. That is what the Directives do. If its a good scheme it will pass the tests. If its a bad scheme it wont.<BR/><BR/>Problem for AMEC is their scheme clogs up the filter like an elephant in your sink.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-40529686880359904682008-03-12T16:28:00.000+00:002008-03-12T16:28:00.000+00:00Two points here quickly before the kids get back f...Two points here quickly before the kids get back from school. You are being economical with the truth if you are suggesting that this applies to Lewis, on two points to start (note I have only had a chance to race through the 300 pages and haven’t fully grilled the details)<BR/><BR/>Quotes are from the full report:<BR/><BR/>“However developments in the most sensitive locations do not<BR/>appear to have been given approval so that where negative impacts on<BR/>tourism might have been a real outcome there is, in practice, little<BR/>evidence of a negative effect.” is point 1. So it says the bad schemes get weeded out before consent i.e. LWP/Eiskein and Pairc!<BR/><BR/>“The choice of which areas should be used as case-studies was made<BR/>according to the importance of tourism and the landscape in those areas<BR/>and the presence of wind farms either in operation or under construction.”<BR/><BR/>It doesn’t seem to refer to an area that doesn’t have turbines at the moment being converted into an area that does. What it actually talks about is areas that already have turbines and may be getting more. Clearly this scenario does not apply to Lewis.<BR/>Interesting report none the Lewis, which will no doubt be spun to suit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-43753279447940663992008-03-12T16:12:00.000+00:002008-03-12T16:12:00.000+00:00No matter which way it falls looks like someone is...No matter which way it falls looks like someone is going to be taking a case to the EU.<BR/>SNH for Civil Servants interpreting the designations not as SNH see them. <BR/>or<BR/>LWP for Civil Servants interpreting them too strictly and not as EU intended them.<BR/>Jim Mather might say a lot but it will stack up to a token jesture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-72885798727911144112008-03-12T15:58:00.000+00:002008-03-12T15:58:00.000+00:00"the right developments in the right location" whi..."the right developments in the right location" which has clearly been shown not to be AMEC when you read the minded to refuse letterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-8702322694818084172008-03-12T15:49:00.000+00:002008-03-12T15:49:00.000+00:00The m2r letter was to flush out any potential futu...The m2r letter was to flush out any potential future legal challenges. LWP cannot argue that they have not been given enough chances.<BR/><BR/>In terms of the EU legislation nothing has changed, and those are the reasons given in the m2r letter. So it is still bye-bye Mr Price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-67946233572529612102008-03-12T15:05:00.000+00:002008-03-12T15:05:00.000+00:00why did the Government send the "minded to refuse"...<I>why did the Government send the "minded to refuse" letter anyway, rather than a simple yes or no?</I><BR/><BR/>As I understand it, this was to try to tease some of the issues surrounding a major issue that the Government couldn't/wouldn't resolve - do environmental designations prevent all economic development? - by inviting the developer to comment.<BR/><BR/>As you say, these have been gone through repeatedly, so the logic of the M2R letter is unclear. <BR/><BR/>Or perhaps deliberately obscure.Angushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06819249125186554637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17278382.post-68471574673347584642008-03-12T14:53:00.000+00:002008-03-12T14:53:00.000+00:00"Any thoughts on what Jim Mather might be saying o..."<I>Any thoughts on what Jim Mather might be saying on Monday???</I>"<BR/><BR/>I don't know what he's going to say, but would be astounded if, having sent a letter to LWP saying the Government was minded to refuse, they then about-turned after a few (private) meetings with developers and their council chums, especially after the pros and cons of this application have been pored over ad nauseum for years. What could possibly change their mind in a few short weeks, and why did the Government send the "minded to refuse" letter anyway, rather than a simple yes or no? Were they under any legal obligation to do so?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com